‘Influencer’ and ‘Investor’ Have Become the Two Dirtiest Words in the Hobby

Ive been around this hobby since I was 6 years old, buying some of my favorite Twins players as a kid, biking to my local card shop and opening cards with my brother and dad. Im now a month away from 40, and Im still here, with some breaks in between, trying to figure out my place in an ecosystem that is enjoying a boom that I could have only dreamed about. In addition to participating in the hobby, Ive written enough about sports cards since 2007 to fill multiple books. Since 2007, multiple things I have done have required public responses from card manufacturers and entities, including my extensive work on fakes and forgeries. Although my reach was small in the grand scheme of the hobby, I was featured on ESPN, Deadspin, and other sites multiple times. In the most marginal sense of the word, you could say I was one of the original card influencers – before that was a thing, and before it was important.

SCU’s original look from 2008!

Today, my influence is small enough to fit on the tip of a needle, as my work and multiple kids has forced me into a place where my love of writing was trumped by a need to live my life. All the fun we used to have on twitter and youtube has been replaced with mega influencers and investors changing the conversation to a focus on money and what they are buying and selling. My focus in the hobby media was always talking about the cards and how they were presented. The new dialogue is all about the deals – buying and selling cards that have become the hottest investment piece since Beanie Babies in the 90s. With the gigantic trajectory of value and interest, a new culture of content and business has been created to match the demand of the population. As people have seen this take place, a divide amongst the previous inhabitants has also risen.

You know what’s interesting though? I enjoy a lot of the content. I love economics, I love cards, and putting them together strikes a chord with me that I never expected. The problem is, most of the biggest voices in the hobby have seen their content explode in popularity to a similar degree as the cards themselves. Tens of thousands of people are hungry to consume sports card content, especially well produced content. As expected, with that attention comes two very specific elements that have made this newfound landscape so problematic in nature.

The first is power. If you have reach and an audience, you have power. Power to change people’s minds, power to move a population, and the power to form an agenda. The thing about agendas, is that they are rarely done for the good of the audience you are influencing. Most of the time, its to further the growth of power one has over their audience, or demean and belittle those who disagree with it. Most influencers will need a steady growth of audience to maintain their production and revenue, and without creating a cult like response to their content, its hard to do that. Therefore, the agenda becomes the content, and its clear that most collectors will have a very dynamic reaction to that – either they love it or they hate it. There are very few indifferent people. Oddly enough, this is the goal, as people who love the agenda will surround themselves with it, and people who hate the agenda will similarly consume the content just to trigger their own emotional responses of hatred. Its a vicious circle that leads to a culture shift, one that has taken over the lexicon we use every day.

The second thing is money. From what I can tell, many of the biggest influencers also have big portfolios of cards, something that in other markets is a required disclosure. Trading cards have only recently entered the national consciousness in terms of investment potential, and other investment assets have tons of content built around them as well. The difference is, the government regulates how those influencers are able to showcase assets they have a position in. If someone on TV is talking about a stock they own, they must disclose that publicly. For cards, the asset group hasnt reached a maturity level where that is required, despite some of them being seven figures in value. As a result, influencers in cards can pump up their owned assets without punitive responses about disclosure. This power has led to resentment from the base of audience they hope to target, but also that love / hate response they use to build new viewership.

Honestly, this is where the influencers and investors have become the new targets for hobby trolling, as people start to revolt against the way they have changed the market overall. The funny thing is, this happens in every market, and the response is not only expected, its the goal. Americans are some of the most emotion driven people on the planet. They want things to be so black and white, as to fuel the tribalism we see when there is a major point of view. The question is, for a hobby ive been around for 30 plus years, is this what I want to happen? That’s where Im not so sure.

This is where the second population of people, the investors, come in. If you ask some of the people that have joined the hobby over the last 2 years, many of them will likely believe that investors are a recent phenomenon within the market. This could not be further from the truth. Going back to the 1950s, people have placed value on trading cards, and if you have gone to a national convention before 2015, you saw the people who have invested in that value setting up year after year. Investors have always seen trading cards as an asset, to a point where we had a similar boom in the 1990s on the back of big sales of collectibles across the country. My dad bought boxes of junk wax that sit in our garage to this day, thinking they would be as valuable as the cards he collected as a kid.

The difference between the 1990s and today is clear, mainly due to the scale in which cards are invested in, but also the scale in which people have made and derived products and services around that part of the market. Today’s hobby has entire business models built around tools for investors, and beyond that, a dedicated community on social media to communicate with like minded individuals. For the first time in the history of hobby investing, the people who are the main players arent huddling in back rooms at big card shows, they are out in the open, sharing what they are doing. Not only that, but the content they create is really fucking interesting. There are even documentary films in the works that talk about how this all came to be.

I remember living in Los Angeles around the time I started writing about cards, and talking with some of the dealers who made a living investing in cards. I thought they were crazy, because the dialogue around cards was so small. I remember getting 2,000 hits a day on my blog posts and being proud of my accomplishments. Now, most of the content creators are driving 200 times that without putting in much effort to furthering any new conversation. For them, as mentioned, the conversation isnt about the cards, where there are limited topics to cover. The deals and money are center stage, where there is an unlimited amount of content to deliver. They have integrated sports commentary as well, given that production on the fields of play contribute so much to potential value.

With such a giant shift in the way people talk about cards, it shouldnt be a surprise that there is a negative reaction from people who hate that this is what the hobby has become. Even though most of the people who revolt against the new world order are very vocal about their feelings, most still operate with the assumptions in value that these influencers and investors have brought to their benefit. Because almost every collectors trades, buys and sells cards, the market value derived from the growth in the hobby does exist to the benefit of all collectors. The so called ‘haters’ will still sell, trade and buy their collection pieces the same way the investors due, while taking pot shots at their methods. Its very odd to witness.

Similarly, these individuals label themselves with a gatekeeping term that gives them a pass to do so. Because they are a ‘true collector’ they feel that their actions are justified to operate in the same manner as the people that they despise. Personally, nothing triggers an emotional response in me more than hearing someone volley ‘true collector’ status around like its actually a thing. Gatekeeping sucks, and as much as investors have drawn ire from the hobby, some of them have actually figured out how fun collecting can really be. Like there is no real way to classify what makes someone a ‘true collector’ versus any other type of hobby participant, there is no reason to make this a derogatory accusation either. I dont understand the desire to keep people out, especially when card value has become the primary thread in this hobby for almost 100 years. More people bringing demand to a market is a good thing, overall. Period.

Does this mean that we should not shine a flashlight on the misdeeds of people who seek to exploit the new found glory? Absolutely not, but the bitterness and resentment seems empty. Americans love celebrity culture, but loathe the way celebrities can spend their money in insane ways. I feel the same thing is true for celebrity card culture – a fascination with their hobby lives, while loathing the impact that investor spending has changed the market. Its so weird to see in action.

Overall, people seem to hate what they cant understand, and for a lot of reasons, there seems to be a general lack of understanding across the hobby that has perpetuated a negative view towards influencers and investors. Some of them absolutely deserve it for a lot of the reasons described above. They are either obviously pushing an agenda, furthering their own investment portfolio, or both. Others seem to be genuinely passionate about their hobby love. I think the discussion around both in the hobby is far from over, but its riveting to see people try to formulate a narrative that fits their own personalities. Some are very successful, others not as much. For me, the hobby is changed forever, and still as fun as it was back when I started writing in 2007. I dont think that will change anytime soon, either.

My Terrible Experience With the eBay Authenticity Program

If you have been a part of the crowd buying and selling on eBay lately, you have likely run into the new program that accompanies all raw cards in the trading card category. Basically, for all unsigned raw cards above 250 dollars in value to be shipped to the customer, it is now required to go through a verification process that checks that the item is authentic and that the “item matches description.” I want to go through a few points of the reasons why this program was created, and why it is responsible for one of the most frustrating experiences I have had buying and selling online.

Background

For those unfamiliar, the program was created to try to limit fraud within the category. Two things were happening: too many cards were being sold as real that weren’t, and sellers were often caught in difficult situations where returns were being completed over cards that didnt match a buyer’s desired perfect grading condition. As a result, both buyers and sellers were leaving eBay, especially for high dollar items, to go to other platforms. This had never really been a thing until the recent boom, so its not a shock that this program was created to help curb that loss.

It had also been done in shoes and handbags with some level of success, but with cards, it presents a whole different level of challenges that I doubt eBay really thought about. Their goal was not to ensure their customers received authentic goods that matched descriptions, no. They are a business and they wanted to make sure their revenue on completed sales was protected. Too many times the final value fees of a trading card would be lost over cases opened revealed fraudulent items, or returns were opened because a card wasnt a PSA 10. Instead of approaching this realistically, sweeping changes were instituted based on a process from other sales categories.

For vintage cards and cards that are frequently the victim of fakes, the program makes a lot of sense. Because cards have become some of the most valuable collectibles on the planet, scammers have made it a frequent target. The one place this program succeeds is preventing all those fakes from entering the market.

How it Works

Basically, a seller posts an item with certain identifiers and pricing. It triggers a set of circumstances in the application that automatically forces the item to go to the hub. This intake is run by a grading company that is supposed to review two things – authenticity and description of the item. When the item is won, the seller ships to the intake, where in a day or two it is authenticated or denied. If authenticated, the hub ships to the buyer. If denied, it goes back to the seller and the buyer is given a refund automatically.

There is no way to challenge the ruling, and the buyer has no input in the process. There is no opt out, and there is no way to reverse a claim if an item is declined or approved. Similarly, there are no returns if the item is approved and sent to the buyer. They cannot do anything to overturn the sale, and I have not yet heard about what happens if the item is damaged post authentication.

This creates a huge set of challenges on both ends of the process, including added shipping time, and potential negative feedback if the buyer wants to challenge the rulings. Sellers can also get around the program by listing in alternate categories, or adding terms to the description. Its a complete shit show that only impacts the buyers and sellers who arent savvy enough to figure out how to game the system.

My Experience

Ive had a few cards go through this program in which condition was not important to me. They were RARE PC cards that I wasnt planning on grading. Unlike most of the hobby, I think grading is a scam and have no desire to get involved. Because I am in the minority there, Im still subject to a program that is designed to curb people playing the myriad of scams that have become a standard.

One card made it to the program, was authenticated and sent to me without an issue. The extra delays in shipping were annoying, but I didnt care as long as it got to me and wasnt destroyed. Unfortunately the second time wasnt as helpful.

I won a Becky Lynch color blast in an auction for a price that was WELL above the threshold for this program. I knew the program would be a factor here, but never thought it would work against me. The seller had a ton of good feedback and the card looked clean. These cards are exceptionally expensive and exceptionally hard to get, so I just wanted to check this one off my target list. The card was shipped same day and arrived at the hub. A day later, I got an email saying that my card didnt pass authentication, with very little explanation. I was ready to flip over a table.

Not only was I going to miss out on this card, but I would now have to find another one, and it was for a reason that I absolutely didnt care about. In getting a more detailed description of the process, no real understanding was conveyed. All it provided was that something in the item page didnt match up with what they reviewed, so it was declined.

Obviously, the first thing I did was contact the seller. They didnt respond. I contacted eBay, and they didnt really give me much option in overturning their decision. As a result of this stupid fucking program, I am out a huge PC card, and there is nothing I can do about it without the seller cooperating. Because they didnt respond to my messages, its over.

What Can Be Done?

If eBay’s goal is truly to avoid fraud in selling fake cards and buyer’s remorse leading to returns on cards that dont meat the hyper-mint condition standards created by the grading companies, they need to be more in tune with how this business actually works. This means pre-auction reviews instead of post auction reviews, and more escrow style transactions where items and money are held with clear expectations and a way for the two parties to agree on outcomes.

Ebay has already shown that they want to invest more in their sports card business, offering vault services coming up, and likely expanding this program to include every card sold on their platform. There is a business growth model for the grading companies involved in it too, mainly because so many cards are involved here.

So far, this is a free service that is granted to both buyer and seller. I doubt that continues to be a cost free venture. If there is money to be made in making the involved parties pay for the service as a captive audience, a corporate entity beholden to its shareholders will have to take advantage of it.

With the trading card boom still in full effect, I doubt the flow of cards will slow down anytime soon. Even before the boom, cards and sports collectibles made up a huge portion of revenue on eBay. That wont change even if things shrink a bit closer to where it was before 2020.

In the end, there needs to be risk avoidance for eBay, and that means some sort of opt out with consequences. Basically buyers and sellers can opt out of the program, but they will need to give something in return. Likely buyers giving up their right to return an item and leave negative feedback, something that will give eBay what they need, and sellers still get their sales.

The program is just going to get bigger and bigger, and the one place I hope it expands to is autographs, where its clear that there is a gigantic problem of sellers forging autographs on items and selling without repercussions. Like I said, if eBay truly had the interest of the collector at heart, they would really double down instead of this type of cop out solution.

Looking at the WWE Prizm Secondary Market Sales Strategy

As much as I would love to focus on the good for all the records that have been set for the debut release of WWE Prizm, unfortunately there are a lot of problems with the way it is performing on the secondary market. We have seen huge, gigantic, enormous sales at the top end of this release, but as I have mentioned multiple times, the stuff on the bottom tiers of this set have settled hard. There are a few reasons for this, and most of them are pretty typical of every Prizm set across every major sport it has been released in. Its time to walk through some of these situations.

Market Population Makeup

WWE is still very much a niche market, and unlike the NBA and NFL, there isnt a built in population of hundreds of thousands of people that are invested across all aspects of the spectrum. Usually, there are a few levels to a Prizm release, and all of them drive specific facets of the secondary sales we see on eBay.

First, there are the high end investors, who chase the top cards of the top players. They will use apps like CardLadder, SlabStox and other platforms to determine the best places to buy and when to buy them. Most of them will buy cards they have targeted for each previous year, and prospect on a few rookies. Then there are the mid tier collectors and flippers who want to get some of the stars of the set, grade them and flip them for a profit. They target specific types of cards that they can get at a reasonable price, and can use the graded card market to make money. Then there are the set collectors – the people who go through each year and buy cards to tick off their sheet. Believe it or not, the sets drive a huge portion of low end business in each release, something that even a market explosion couldnt destroy.

Because each of these market segments have built an ecosystem, its easy to see where each Prizm year has been ultimately successful to a vast degree. Right now, Wrestling has none of that built, and many of the previous market has been so angry with the increase in wax prices, they havent even bothered to see how easy it is to find deals for the people that they collect. Some have already started to come back to the fold, as the secondary market takes shape, pushing autograph cards higher in value than they usually are selling for in other sports.

Selling the Top Tier Cards in the Product

Example Names: The Rock, Steve Austin, Hulk Hogan

Parts of the Product: Gold /10, Black 1/1, Color Blast, FOTL exclusives, Sparkle Exclusives

If we want a representation of where Prizm WWE has been the most successful, its at the top end of the scale, with so many of the big named stars selling for vast sums of money. We have already seen more five figure sales in this product than in any other modern product in WWE history. For a pack pulled raw card, that can likely be extended to ever in the history of wrestling.

Most of the main investors in the product have come in from other sports with lots of weight to throw around in a burgeoning space with very little competition. As I have said on a few podcasts recently, it can take as little as 100k to really tip some dominoes in this dark corner of the hobby.

So far, we havent seen the main cards hit the market in any real way that makes sense, and that’s because there is a tried and true method for selling the top cards in a Prizm set. Rip the wax, assess the cards, grade the big ones and send it to an auction house, or try your luck on eBay. Selling big cards in an auction format on eBay probably isnt the best way to do it, especially if they are raw examples. As much as I hate grading, its almost a necessity with any chrome stock product. Because people are still so unsure of what is going on with WWE, the desire to wait out a PSA sub isnt as prevalent as it would be with NBA.

As a result, we have seen some of the major cards sell raw for giant prices, but likely not the full realized value until they are graded. I hate grading, and I feel like a dirty bastard telling people to grade cards, but the pragmatist in me is unable to avoid this part of the equation.

For those that are unsure of how to approach a card in this section, ask someone who knows what they are doing. Most of the breakers who pull these cards have rarely done wrestling and will not have good info to provide. If I pulled a major card like this, I would grade it through one of the major hubs, and start looking on instagram for people who have a ton of high end wrestling stuff on their page. I would send them messages and ask if they know anyone in the market. Then start selling my ass off. If that didnt work, I would approach an auction house to see what some of the appraisals might look like through a place like Goldin, Heritage or a similarly important hobby platform. In the meantime, I would have the card up on eBay with a vastly overinflated BIN and take offers from anyone who sees it posted.

At no point would I trust an auction to sell a card that could be five figures. Its a good way to lose an absolute ton of money. People rarely have the opportunity to sell a card like this, and most are unprepared or underprepared. They post it with a stupid low BIN because they dont know what they had, or they post it for auction because they want their money now. Sometimes it pays to be patient, sometimes to the tune of thousands of dollars. Avoiding eBay auction style listings is going to be a common theme here, so just be expecting that.

Selling the Mid Tier Cards in the Product

Example Names: Triple H, Brock Lesnar, Sasha Banks

Parts of the Product: Retail big hits, Mojo /25, White Sparkle, Big Star Orange and below

This is where things have really gotten depressing, mainly because the way people are going about these sales is not helpful to setting a market floor to prop up values, or positioning a sale to get back the most money. Prizm auctions have been poorly titled, poorly photographed, and ended at some awful times of the day. As a rule of thumb, ending auctions in the middle of the night or early in the morning is a terrible idea. Even worse, ending them at a time where a ton of other stuff is ending is a bad idea as well. Sadly, that’s exactly what has happened.

Because Wrestling has been featured with many mainstream breakers and mid tier breakers en masse for the first time, there are a lot of people buying in who were only chasing cards in the section above. It leaves a lot of credit card bills to be paid, and a lot of singles to unload. This has led to 17,000 auction style listings to be done within the first 3 weeks of the product release. You can imagine, this probably isnt the best course of action with a market that has yet to be established for a debut brand.

This begs the question of what to do with cards that arent going to bring the same type of attention that the top card will bring, and how to go about selling them to avoid a huge dip. Honestly, the best thing to do right now is hold. There are too many cards being unloaded for nothing right now, and that will slow down now that the breakers have moved onto the next releases.

Another big issue is that grading costs are exceptionally high right now, to boot. Despite GIANT conflicts of interest in the entirety of the grading business model (go search at the top if you need a refresher), the hobby responds much more appropriately to graded card examples versus raw cards. Its a shitty fact of life for most of the market right now. This means that all the cards that would have likely been graded and sold in the past are now in a weird limbo zone that is hard to navigate.

If I had one of these cards to sell, something I will have to consider in the future, the key here is to avoid dumping them in an auction, grade them if you can, and sit on the market until it shakes out a bit more. Not everyone has this luxury, but if you can find a way to make it through the next few months, a lot of this bulk action will be done, and there will be a much more open spot to unload.

Selling Everything Else

Example Names: Low Tier WWE stars that are not in any storyline on TV

Part of the Product: ANY unnumbered Prizm cards, high numbered parallels of those stars

This is where Panini’s business model rears its ugly head. Unlike Topps, who has printed to order before things exploded, Panini has made it a point to capitalize on the popularity of their products and run presses to exploit the demand. That means that unnumbered cards can be printed to the moon, and there is no way to get a sense of how many actually exist at any time. More importantly, with a market settling the way this has been settling, these bulk cards are a dime a dozen.

For people ripping cases of Prizm, most of these cards just need to go somewhere, so they will end up dumped on eBay or sent to COMC to unload. With every set, these types of cards always drop in value, mainly because they keep showing up. There is no limit to how they go about being obtained, and there are set collectors that will build sets if things are cheap enough.

Most of us that have done any sort of engagement with Prizm wax are likely inundated with these types of cards, which include some lower numbered parallels of people that probably shouldnt have been on this checklist. Prizm has a giant list of cards included there, and it has highlighted why Topps usually avoided doing things this big.

I have actually added search terms to my saved eBay searches to avoid even seeing the bulk show up, and I assume most of the other investors have done the same long before I did. If there are people who bought in hard here, Im sorry for your loss. Its not going to get much better. Remember when the Silvers were valuable in a Prizm set? Pepperidge Farms remembers.

Understanding Where to Invest

Right now, I have been targeting very specific areas of Prizm to spend money, because there are some amazing opportunities I see with cards that are not going into my PC. I like what I am seeing on a few things, but overall, Prizm is an investor’s set. Here is where I am seeing the best places to drop a bit of money. Of course, this is just my opinion, and it should be taken as that.

As things slow down in the middle part of Prizm, I have already seen specific things starting to bounce back from the dip. Oranges are the poor man’s golds, as I have found out, and many of them are still taking in some nice values, even when sold in a stupid manner. Similarly the Blue parallels are really nice looking with the royal border, and with most of the Smackdown superstars using this color pallet for their gear, it usually looks pretty cool. Most of the major stars of today’s era can be had for cheap, and I have found myself buying them in bulk.

I have also put a huge focus on those transcendent stars that have crossed over to other areas of entertainment, as well as accomplished champions who will be a focus for years to come on the TV products. People like John Cena, Batista, Brock Lesnar, Trish Stratus, Charlotte Flair and AJ Styles. I would love to go after Steve Austin and the Rock, but they are still too high to fall into my range.

Lastly, I love rookies and exploding stars, and guys like Carmelo Hayes and Walter (now Gunther) have been some of my top targets. I would put Bron Breakker on this list too, but like Rock and Austin, he is out of my range for this project.

If you want to go back and look at some of the other stuff I have written about Prizm, I discuss some of the things to look for pretty frequently. Big sales of top tier cards can start frenzies of FOMO in the hobby so be ready to rock when that happens. Other than that, just keep your eyes open and always have an exit strategy. There is still a ton of fun left to be had in Prizm, and hopefully it starts sooner rather than later.

What Expectations Should We have for the Top of the WWE Prizm Market?

I love watching products as they create, expand and define markets, an exercise that has been especially fascinating as we got into the largest boom in trading card history. As the WWE license has shifted over to Panini, we are seeing some crazy things happen with a small niche market that was never a focus for the hobby mainstream. Leading up to the debut of Prizm, we saw massive trajectory shifts, with Chrome and desirable singles taking off in value like we had never seen before. Now, with many more eyes on this dark corner of the hobby, records are being set left and right, with no end in sight.

With that, I wanted to spend some time walking through was we should expect from the best of the best Prizm has to offer, and what that could mean for values as the sales showcase a high market cap for other sales within the hobby.

The Rock

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Biggest Card: Black 1/1
Other Notables: Gold /10, Gold Shimmer /3
Price Expectations for Black: $45-50k
Price Expectations for Gold: $20-25k

Here is the thing about the Rock. He is the most famous movie star in the US, and his star power grows continually day by day. If you look back across his wrestling card catalogue, he has had a few big cards across the years of Chrome, but I dont think they will compare to what is coming when the black 1/1 is finally pulled. His major cards for Chrome have already started to approach 5 figures, and I fully expect his gold in Prizm to break every modern record there is. He is the gem of this product, and we havent yet seen what is possible with his stuff, as none of it has hit the market in a listing that makes sense.

Hulk Hogan


Biggest Card: Black 1/1
Other Notables: Black Champions Auto 1/1, Gold /10
Price Expectations for Black: $30-35k
Price Expectations for Black Auto 1/1: $15-20k
Price Expectations for Gold: $15k+

Personally, Im not a fan of Hulk Hogan. He has shown himself to be a pretty questionable person outside the ring, only adding to a reputation of what happened when he was on top in the 80s and 90s. The rest of the hobby still looks at Hogan as a nostalgic representation of their youth, growing up with Wrestling and what he represented. Aside from the Rock, Hogan might be the next man up, given that he has shown massive value spikes for all his cards across the boom. We have yet to see a base gold posted, and I would think his Black 1/1 might end up being one of the most valuable Hogan cards ever. Unlike the Rock, he has a number of autos in this product, so it will be interesting to see how those perform compared to the more desirable base.

Roman Reigns


Biggest Card: Black 1/1
Other Notables: Black Champions Auto 1/1, Gold /10
Price Expectations for Black: $20-25k
Price Expectations for Black Auto 1/1: $15-20k
Price Expectations for Gold: $10k+

Thanks to his current run, we are witnessing one of the most dominant champions of the modern era. Not only is he the first undisputed champ in years, he is sitting at 600+ days for the reign. If he continues through to Wrestlemania 39 as champion, he will have one of the top five longest title reigns in WWF/E history. As a result, he has gone from a person that collectors really didnt believe in, to one of the most valuable superstars in the entire hobby. Roman will be a major collection piece for investors across the Prizm run, and though we have only seen a gold and a gold auto pulled, a major card of his has yet to really hit the block.

Stone Cold Steve Austin


Biggest Card: Black 1/1
Other Notables: Black Champions Auto 1/1, Gold /10
Price Expectations for Black: $25-30k
Price Expectations for Black Auto 1/1: $15k+
Price Expectations for Gold: $10k+

I am a huge mark for babyfaces who defy authority. If you were into wrestling in the 1990s, you likely ended the decade feeling the same way. Its the reason I started collecting Becky Lynch, and one of the main reasons that Steve Austin has been so popular despite such a short run on top. Wrestlemania 38 featured his first match in 19 years, and it was so amazing to see Austin get another shot at a big moment. Like Hogan, he has had some trouble outside the ring, and its hard to get past that, but it does seem like he has put a lot of that behind him. More importantly, collectors have finally gotten an opportunity to see him sign for sets again. Unlike the first few people on this list, Austin has already had confirmed sales in some of these areas. His first gold sold at $12.5k and his first gold auto sold at $10k. His Black base 1/1 has already been pulled. Time will tell if it eventually hits the block. When it does, the price will set records.

Gable Steveson


Biggest Card: Black 1/1
Other Notables: Black Sensational Signatures Auto 1/1, Gold /10
Price Expectations for Black: $15k+
Price Expectations for Black Auto 1/1: $10k+
Price Expectations for Gold: $10k+

Putting this guy on the major targets list might be a surprise for some, but Steveson is going to be a megastar in this industry. He has Gold Medals, NCAA Titles and a featured spot on Wrestlemania without even having a match under his belt yet. Collectors are prospecting the hell out of him because of these situations, and I dont disagree with the market’s reaction. His first Gold sold for $14k before the dip started, and Im curious how others might fare. Im guessing they could still go pretty high, as his autographs have yet to see much of an impact overall. He is already getting comparisons to Angle and other amateur wrestlers turned WWE stars, and we could see shortly how this all plays out on TV.

The Undertaker


Biggest Card: Black 1/1
Other Notables: Black Champions Auto 1/1, Gold /10
Price Expectations for Black: $20k+
Price Expectations for Black Auto 1/1: $15k+
Price Expectations for Gold: $10k+

With his recent HOF induction, there is no more fitting star to get a huge bump in value than the deadman himself. I was actually surprised to see two of his golds sell above $10K off the bat, and it shoudlnt be surprising that collectors are reacting to the odd display photo on his base card. Overall, there arent many stars in this hobby that have had a presence like the Undertaker, and I hope we get to see what the Black looks like with the shadow silhouette. Going to be awesome to see how it fares on the market.

There are other major names like Shawn Michaels and Brett Hart who have seen their black 1/1s sell for over $15k each as well, but there isnt a guarantee that their golds and other cards might sell in the same manner of value. This product is top heavy enough to show that the hobby box prices being close to or at $1000 wasnt much of a fluke, and I would guess that once some of these major cards start hitting eBay and other marketplaces, things might change down the line of other parallels as well. Just wait, the true volcano has yet to erupt.

WWE Prizm: Things to Watch For Over the Next Few Weeks

I dont think there has been a WWE product that I have paid this much attention over the five plus years I have been in this niche of the hobby. Prizm is a whirlwind of intrigue, with record sales coming one after the other, and a new frontier of mainstream attention. Funny enough, there are a few things yet to happen that will change the landscape of the product going forward. I want to go through a few of them.

Major Parallels from Hulk Hogan, The Rock, and Roman Reigns

As of now, we have seen 4 cards hit $15k on the secondary market, and none of them are the ones that everyone is waiting to pop up. The most desirable base parallels of the top tier guys have yet to hit the block, and its entirely possible that each will set their own new record as they surface. As mentioned yesterday, there are likely a number of reasons for this to happen, including the wait times at PSA.

Once these cards show up and really show the potential of the product, things could get very out of have very fast. There are multiple high end sports collectors waiting for the first Rock Gold to be available for sale, and the Black 1/1 will likely end up being one of the most valuable wrestling cards of all time.

I have started compiling a tracker of the Black Prizm 1/1s, available here.

We did see a Gold Rock base pulled by Santiago Sports early last week, but there have been only friend of a friend reports of any sales for the top gold in the set. I would think the major Rock parallels will continue to be the chase card for this product, long into the future. Weird that we havent seen any pop up yet for sale. Same can be said for Roman Reigns, a gold yet to be pulled on a public page.

The End of the Recoup Scramble

Most Prizm buyers will buy wax and break slots to chase specific aspects of the set that they are looking for. Very few will see their lottery ticket payoff. Left behind is a lot of debt and invested cash that needs to be replaced with returns from those breaks. Prizm features a MASSIVE checklist, and with it, a lot of bulk that will end up hitting eBay en masse to attempt to pay back all the money people have poured into this product.

The result is auction after auction being posted without a true need to get top value for the cards. Right now, those individuals just want SOMETHING, and the market isnt big enough yet to support the massive amount of sales at the value that they deserve. This gives people the chance to get some really REALLY nice cards for a cost well below expectations.

Over the next few weeks, this phenomenon will stop, and the auctions will be replaced with fixed price listings that are more representative of dealers who can wait out the storm. More importantly, as PSA returns cards submitted during these first few weeks, we will start to see a true representation of what the market can support. Pop reports will start to fill up, investor apps will launch their indexes, and all of this will seem like a period we should have all spent some money within.

The Beginning of the Retail Storm

Busting hobby boxes isnt an available option for many collectors, especially as prices climb above $1000. per. Retail is another option that people have tried to use as a replacement, without realizing that the main parallels that make Prizm such a landmark brand are not included. The parallels that are included will be available in quantities that far exceed today, and that side of things will take an absolute dive.

There is an entire contingent of the hobby based around retail sales for Prizm, and even more wrestling collectors who want a chance to rip some packs. This leads to a gigantic flood of base, unnumbered base parallels, retail exclusive unnumbered parallels, and bulk that will crash value on a ton of cards.

As you are looking at the market today, remember that the numbered cards are usually immune to the floods that will rain down upon this niche. Panini printed a fucking shit ton of Prizm, as they know it is a product that has the highest demand across all areas of the collecting population. The cards that will be most impacted by this are the ones that have no limit to their print run. Just be careful.

Ongoing Battles With Hobby and Wrestling Trolls

I have been doing what I can to chronicle Prizm, mainly because its entertaining as hell to see the niche I adopted blow up. Others have huge investments in the product and want it to be successful to ensure those investments appreciate. The cheerleaders like me and the investors all will look at Prizm in a very positive light. On the other side is a group of people who are unhappy that they are no longer able to participate in the fray the way they once used to. They are joined by influencers with ulterior motives around the content of their own collections, and savvy investors who know what is coming and try to drive prices down to buy the dip that will only be available during the scramble drill described above.

Each day, those people will point to the market settling as a sign that Prizm is a bust. They will continue to pick and choose their battles to showcase the data that supports their agenda. In reality, nothing that has happened with Prizm is surprising other than the shocking prices paid already for some of the main product hits. Most are pointing to the dropping values associated with the bulk, and higher numbered parallels within the gigantic checklist. In reality, this happens with every release, and is not surprising in the slightest.

Prizm is already the most successful WWE product ever produced, and nothing will change that. Every day since release, cards have sold at prices that would just not happen in any other product. As Panini gets into other legacy brands, similar things will happen for those sets too. Although the market will settle on a number of things, the existing performance has already cemented everything Panini was hoping to get out of this product.

As more configurations are released, more record sales are achieved, and more eyes land on WWE as a target for investors, Prizm will continue to have a tremendous impact on wrestling cards that has never been available before. Here is the thing, that is a very good situation for a number of reasons – regardless of what the trolls spout from their mountaintops. Panini is going to own this license for the foreseeable future. A huge successful performance will ensure future investment in the brand, above and beyond expected ROIs.

More importantly, the dip isnt going to be permanent on most of the desirable elements of this product. Manufacturer expectation is that 33-50% of the hobby run gets busted in the first few weeks. As that rush tails off, the available inventory will shrink. Less inventory and baseline general speculation creates an outcome that very easy to predict. The trolls may have their day for a bit, but for those who know how Prizm performs long term, its easy to react with a sly laugh.

A Look to the Future

We already know what the next WWE product is, and its one that I wouldnt have chosen as my second in line. Revolution WWE is designed to be a more affordable product in a very expensive hobby, but as with everything, that has changed over the last few years with the other versions Panini has released. Revolution NBA started off as a cheap set builders product with lots of base variations and few autographs. As the hobby took off, it has found a niche market within the NBA of rabid collectors who want the rare variations that come less than one per case.

Because the NBA market is so huge, products like Revolution can be successful in niche collecting communities who have built PCs around the product and certain players/teams. For the WWE, I dont really see that happening in the same fashion. The market is too small, and the box prices are already creeping above $300 dollars in preparation for predicted crossover. My guess is Panini thought that Revolution would be a more affordable option for people priced out of Prizm, but secondary market dealers have already crashed that party with pre-order pricing well above expectations.

Similarly, with Chronicles WWE now confirmed as well, we could see the giant impact that these dealers can have in suffocating the momentum started by Prizm. I understand the speculative drive that leads to ginormous prices on Prizm wax. For non-legacy products outside of Prizm, Immaculate, NT and the like, I think this is a bit reckless with a new market. Then again, with major breakers able to support any price the dealers choose, it might end up being a snake eating its own tail – our Hobby Ouroboros.

Regardless of the future prospects created by Prizm’s explosion onto the market, WWE is on the cusp of the hobby mainstream. With that, the hobby will need to figure out the path before the trolls can derail things. Its so weird to see how this all has played out, because I knew there would be an army of wrestling collectors fighting against the tide. Im just hoping that people can see through the bullshit and really understand what is going on.